January 06, 2025
prev: December 02, 2024 next: January 13, 2025Public Commenters (28 min)
Juan Collado Diaz Diab Dar Issa Michael Hardy Nadia Zaiem Rev. Dean Van Farowe Faouzi Baddour Brent Misenko Kat Richards Linda Meglin James Germaniuk
Diab Dar Issa
A big word last year was gerrymandering. It was a big focus up until the election, and you know right after it happened we never heard about it, and now that the the maps that we're voting on tonight, it feels like this is really the last say we really have, which is why I really want to sign up for public comment. I did attend the first community feedback session on October 15th at Tri-C's metro campus, but even then I still feel like this was a final draft. I feel like we're our inputs really not taken into consideration. Some people may think that these are just lines on a piece of paper, but you know what, they used to say that also about redlining. Some people may wonder, Diab, you're still in ward 11, why do you care so much? And to that I have to say that these lines mean so much more to me. Within these lines are residents neighborhoods with a rich history history, communities, and people and businesses that have been here for generations. These lines are our tickets to representation. Who's being catered to here, the residents, or is this a matter of incumbent protection? Gerrymandering is something I want to say let's do away within 2024, equitable and reasonable representation reflected by the newly drawn ward boundary lines. Now that's what I want to bring into 2025. I may still be Ward 11, but my neighborhood is being cut up. All of our neighborhoods are being cut up and behind these lines, there are people, there are faces, there are histories, and there are stories that still need to be told. Even after your guys' terms are done, these lines are going to still stick with these neighborhoods, so please take this into consideration. It's so much more important than the vote in November. These are real people and real communities. Thank you and that's my time.
2:10 Permalink
Michael Hardy
I hear we understood that this day was coming and now it is here. The boundaries for ward 11 were discussed during the city council election in Ward 11 back in 2021. Now the boundaries were discussed even more during the special election of 2023. There were many in the ward including myself who were aware that precincts 11a and 11b were getting moved to what is now ward 16 and will be ward 13. This was discussed and considered during the 2010 census, so we've known about this for some time.
But what wasn't discussed was splitting precinct 11b. Now this area is arguably the first area in Cuyahoga County with a sizable number of African-American residents. They were brought here to work on the railroad back in the late 1800s and they resided in what is now ward 11 and ward 11a and b. Highway I-71 moved some people out of the way so they had to move north of the Highway 71 to live in some areas there, and you still have people who live, families who live on both sides of the highway. And this is near Linndale. I'm talking about the railroad in Linndale that's where the the people worked, West Linndale, they call it. So 11a and 11b borders are identifiable. They're clearly identifiable. This was a voting block, and it's a strong voting block, one of the biggest voting blocks in the area, and this is getting divided. You know those streets need to stay intact. This is probably an issue in other communities where similar things are happening now and have happened, but what we always want to do in a democracy is let people know that you know they are not cut out of this democracy and that they can be involved in the democratic process. You know people need to know that their vote counts and that their vote is meaningful. Keeping the integrity of the ward 11 communities intact was important. In 2023 during that election it was talked about quite a bit but now keeping the integrity of precincts 11a and 11b intact is important. You I actually live in 11b. I am asking you to to pause this vote so that we can have further discussions on the redistricting process and ward 11 and in other areas where I know there's quite a bit of talk going on. But I want to thank you for listening and may God bless everyone here. Thank you very much.
2:58 Permalink
Nadia Zaiem
2:55 Permalink
Rev. Dean Van Farowe
We all know that one side of Shaker Square will share a ward with a section of Slavic Village. That historic neighborhood will now be in six different wards. I served two terms on the board of Northwest Neighborhood CDC, I saw how important it is that the CDCs align well with neighborhood concerns. I like that local urban planner Greg suus, who often works with CDCs urged you recently to coordinate ward boundaries with CDC service areas. This would, quote, 'streamline funding mechanisms and political machinery required to make the mission of a CDC successful.' Mr. suus is correct in my view. When they are not aligned, work does not get done. I would simply add at the conclusion that you guys have not had a chance for administrative review. You've not had a chance as committees to look at these maps. This is a rushed process that should have been started long ago, and I urge you to reject these maps. Thank you.
2:40 Permalink
Faouzi Baddour
I don't know, what I'm asking you, I'm asking your conscience, reject those maps. The other thing, as assuming you pass it, we're not giving up. Tomorrow morning, you pass it tonight, tomorrow morning we'll start another alternatives, one of them to place a referendum to change the structure of this Council, reduce it to 9 or 11, and all elected at large, no ward, no district. You divide the communities, we will reunite those communities and believe me Council President, talk to us, talk to the League of Women Voters, talk, there's zero groups oppose this, and you want to find the numbers. Pass it and we'll find the numbers next election. Thank you.
1:56 Permalink
Brent Misenko
2:06 Permalink
Kat Richards
We feel like going south a little bit for us since we are a single family residence neighborhood is better for us. We don't exactly belong in a mixed use neighborhood. We have one of those most stringent zoning appropriations that there are. So I wanted to thank everybody for letting me speak. It was very interesting to hear everyone else talk about this. It illustrates how complicated the process is. But like I said, for the first time in 30 years, I'm actually impressed with the new map and I hope that we vote to keep it. Thank you.
1:02 Permalink
Linda Meglin
I want to give you a little background for everyone about the representation of our neighborhood because we believe we should be included with our neighbors to the south not to the east. Now, nothing against the Detroit Shoreway area at all, as a matter of fact my neighbors and I frequent the businesses often and our issues facing our neighborhood just closely align with the neighbor in the south. We'd like you to consider the history from 1963 where Cleveland had 33 wards, the maps ran north and south. This was true to 1986 with 21 wards. Then we were separated. Then in 2003 we were back with our south neighbors when we were represented by councilman Westbrook, and in 2008 when Cleveland had 21 wards and they introduced what was called the 'Scorpion's Tail'. We were ward 18 with our southern neighbors and we were represented by councilman Zone. Then in 2010 there were 19 wards and we were with our southern neighbors except we didn't we weren't a part of with the Scorpions Tail, and once again we were represented by councilman Zone. Then in 2013 councilman Westbrook agreed to step down and the boundaries were changed, and then we were moved from the southern to east-west, so there's where we are today. And I know with all this history, I sound like John Meechum, but, and if you've lost track, we've been more with our southern neighbors than with the east, so the proposed map returns our neighborhood to what is a more natural fit and with what previous council members had determined being connected to the southern neighbors.
Again we certainly support Detroit Shoreway and all that, all the neighborhoods, but our neighborhood does have certain issues that are different from everybody else. Our neighborhood has a very specific zoning. It's we have created and protected our double and single family for years. Our association has continued to be committed to this, and when the Gold Coast was being put together, being built, the plan was to tear down all the houses on Edgewater Drive, all the houses, and so what we did, the neighborhood did, was you know, got together, stuck together, fought it and we won. Thank you.
3:11 Permalink
James Germaniuk
Mary help me. My name is James Germaniuk. I'm not a democrat or a republican. I disagree with the Democrats in that I am not for same-sex unions and I am 100% pro-life. I disagree with Trump because I am against supporting people the Lord gave me the black white party based on the Ten Commandments, the Bible, the encyclicals of the Pope, and the teaching of the Catholic Church. We are all precipitance of God's, Jesus's mercy, and should be charitable to others.
Okay. I ask that St Vincent Charity Hospital not be torn down but it be used to treat the babies from Gaza. For the last three years the Lord has given me the scripture for the Middle East. The Revelation is certain a great war. Daniel 10:1. Not only will it save babies but it might well prevent a great regional war if the Muslims see some charity, some Christianity toward them, the Palestinians would temper their vengeance. For example, Hezbollah said as long as Israel bombed Gaza they would bomb Israel. In Matthew 25:36, it says, 'you saw me ill and you cared for me well. Lord when we see you ill, what did you when you did it for the least of my brethren, you did it for me.' Scripture says the beginning of wisdom is fear the Lord. Okay, can you imagine your aunt, mother, grandmother, a baby child being imprisoned in your ward with no way out and being bombed?
President Gerald Ford had a baby lift at the end of the Vietnam War. We had a vigil outside of St Vincent Charity Hospital on Christmas Eve. We had a clear view of the bridge, we heard a loud crash. The man could have been dying. It would have taken five minutes to get to St Vincent had it been open, but one half hour to get to another hospital, and in that case the guy would be dead on arrival. The doctors in Gaza describe holding a baby's brain flowing out of his hand. The hospital has to use gauze over and over again, spreading infections.
Instead of making a political decision, think of your eternal salvation. Instead of being the Marie Antoinette, quit city outrageous tax increases for the poor, hit and run drivers not arrested, and street takeovers. The whole world will admire you for while they did nothing. Proverbs says 'did you fail to rescue those who were being dragged off to death? You did not fail to rescue those tottering near death.' Proverbs 24:11. I might get through it. For decades, Nori and I have fought to save babies in the womb from being killed. Now they're killing babies after birth. 33 years from now no one will know what you did for your ward, but with the Lord, a thousand years are like a watch in the night. Jesus will always know what you did for his least brethren. You can make a mistake, we all do. Allowing St Vincent Charity Hospital to self destruct.
3:13 Permalink
Now going with that I want to talk about the maps. We have seen the new maps and we have seen how much of a mess they are. I myself am an employee for Community Development through the CDC and I know how awful that's going to be for me, as it's going to be for every one of my residents to get divided and cut into wards and how awful it's going to be for those groups out there working on an everyday basis to help their communities. So I'm asking for you to please revise the maps one more time get some citizen input on it and check what is best for the city. Right now cutting the worst the way than they've been cut is just giving you and your close friends an amazing amount of like areas for you to take over, and the huge amount of gerrymandering that is happening.
Then I want to also go over something that was said in the last Council meeting before the break and it was by Councilman Polensek which was said about the ward the Latino ward it was refer a ward and I want to correct that because that when you use that kind of terminology, is literally going for and saying that you're segregating a city. Cleveland is one of the largest cities that is segregated in this country and we are not doing anything about it, and these maps are just keeping the same exact issue going and going after and after. So I do ask that in the future we don't use terminology like that and we actually look at how we write in the words. So please again take in consideration the way you write in your words, ask the C for their input and not just give a 5 minute like little time, or the day before. No, please ask them with weeks in advance, perhaps months, and think about this before we write in it. I know your elections are coming up and you need these maps to be written for your elections so they can support you and get you back into this seat. But don't think about your future job, think about Cleveland as a city because that's what you should be thinking about, not your job and your salary. So again rethink this and do better.